Phil Dalhausser didn’t waste much time. Just moments after winning his sixth Manhattan Beach Open title on August 20, he pointed to the front row of the stadium, where Tim Hovland was seated, and said “That six, Hov!”

Six indeed.

One more than Hovland, who won five consecutive Manhattan Beach Opens with Mike Dodd. No matter if his five MBO titles have been surpassed by the Thin Beast, Hovland remains a legend, having formed one half of one of beach volleyball’s greatest teams alongside Dodd.

Listen in as he joins the Paper Courts podcast, discussing the golden era of beach volleyball, the Manhattan Beach Open, and where the sport is headed. Catch all other podcasts on iTunes.